The Qadiani Movement - Impostors or worse?

**Endurer** · 06-11-2007, 01:39 AM

Originally Posted by syeda, post: 294633

@endurer

ye haq apko kisne diya ha hamein non muslim kehne ka?

ok v r non muslims apk mutabiq .. apto muslim hein.. so plzz kindly go n read that hadeess jis mein hazoor (saw) ne kisi ko bhi ger muslim bolne ka haq nahi diya

All Muslim scholars already have declared the followers of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani to be out of the fold of Islam.

Answer these questions please:

Mirza Ghulam Qadiani had demeaning opinion about one of the great prophets, Jesus(pbuh). He called Jesus(pbuh) a liar, a foul-mouth alcoholic and a patron of prostitutes. After all this, he claimed to be Jesus Christ himself -- better than the real Jesus(pbuh). How do you reconcile this?
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani had nothing good to say about the companions of the prophet Muhammad(SAW). He viewed Abu Huraira(RA) as ignorant and useless. He made insulting remarks about the family of the Prophet -- Ali(RA), his wife Fatima(RA) and their sons Hassan(RA) and Hussain(RA). Having made such remarks he compared himself to them or better. In what sense do you think he was comparable?
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani claimed his miracles were superior to those of all the Prophets, including the last of the Prophets -- Muhammad(SAW). Then, he and his associated claimed he was even better than Muhammad(SAW). Do you find any basis for this?
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani claimed to have been given god-like powers: Power over life and death and the ability to create at will. However, he died like a mortal should. Do you believe he was God?
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani crafted a saying "Messiah will come at the end of the 14th century" and attributed this to prophet Muhammad(SAW). Attributing false statements to the Prophet(SAW) is a sure way to hell-fire. There is and has never been such a saying of the Prophet(SAW) -- this was Mirza Qadiani's own fabrication. In this light, where do you think he will end up?
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani was taught by human beings with names recorded in history -- Fazal ILahi, Fazal Ahmad, and Gul Ali Shah. Do you think a true prophet could be taught by human beings?
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani decreed that struggle against the British Colonial Power was prohibited and obedience to British Raj was obligatory! In light of colonial history, can you think of any reason for this?
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani proclaimed all humanity, except those who follow his cult, non-believers, off-springs of prostitutes, and bound for hell! Can an intelligent person be intimidated by such words?
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani refused to pray for his dead son, Fazal Ahmad, because he did not believe in his father's claims. Sir Zafarullah refused to join the funeral prayers held for his employer, the father of the Nation of Pakistan. Do you think a dead son and a dead boss have no human rights?
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani signed a pledge in a British ruled Indian Court of Law never to indulge in Mubahalas. Now, is Mirza Tahir Qadiani honoring his grandfather's words by doing the contrary?

Some Aayat:

Say: "O my Servants who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah, for Allah forgives all sins, for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. Turn you to our Lord and submit to Him, before the doom comes on you, after which you shall not be helped. And follow the best that has been revealed to you from your Lord, before the Penalty comes on you - of a sudden while ye perceive not! - Lest the soul should say: 'Ah! Woe is me!- In that I fell short of my duty towards Allah, and was but among those who mocked!'-
Or it should say: 'If only Allah had guided me, I should certainly have been among the dutiful!'- Or it should say when it sees the doom: 'If only I had another chance, I should certainly be among the righteous!' " (The Holy Quran, Az-Zumar, 39:53-58)

Leave alone those who take their religion to be mere play and amusement, and are deceived by the life of this world. But proclaim (to them) this (truth): that every soul delivers itself to ruin by its own acts: it will find for itself no protector or intercessor except Allah: if it offered every ransom, (or reparation), none will be accepted: such is (the end of) those who deliver themselves to ruin by their own acts: they will have for drink (only) boiling water, and for punishment, one most grievous: for they persisted in rejecting Allah.
(The Holy Quran, Al-Anaam, 6:70)

When it is said to them: "Come to what Allah hath revealed, and to the Messenger": Thou seest the Hypocrites avert their faces from thee in disgust. How then, when they are seized by misfortune, because of the deeds which they hands have sent forth? Then they come to thee, swearing by Allah: "We meant no more than good-will and conciliation!" Those men,-Allah knows what is in their hearts; so keep clear of them, but admonish them, and speak to them a word to reach their very souls. (The Holy Quran, An-Nisa, 4:61-63)

Now is the time to repent and embrace the truth.

More truth exposed here: http://ebrahimsaifuddin.wordpress.co...qadiani-kufar/

Disclaimer: This isn't a personal attack.

**Hina87** · 06-11-2007, 07:32 AM

You said in the other thread that Syeda was Ahmadi and not Qadiani... aren't they different?

Originally Posted by Endurer, post: 294597

Per aap to non-muslim ho, nahien? Ahmadi (Mirzais) ka hajj bhi hota hai kiya?

Both Ahmadi groups are considered non-Muslims by the Pakistan government, and have this fact recorded on their travel documents; due to which they are not allowed to enter the holy shrines in Mecca and Medina. In contrast Ahmadi citizens from Western countries and other moderate Muslim nations can and do perform Hajj and Umra as required by Islam. A court decision has also upheld the right of Ahmadiyyas to identify themselves as Muslims in India.

As per Wiki

Back to the thread: Qadiani people are truly much worse then any other group. It's sad to read that this guy wouldn't even pray for his own son.

**manni9** · 06-11-2007, 09:35 PM

well i don't think ke inn baaton ka jawab inn loogon ke paas hoga cauz yeh haqeeqat hea.

**syeda** · 06-12-2007, 12:30 AM

oh common dont u guys have any other work to do? ya bas yahi kaam ha sara din dt pe beth k logon ko tang karna?

well i have ans for ur questions but i wont give ans to U .. jo kuch bakna ha aplogon ne bak sakte ho.. I DONT GIVE A DAMN... understood?

apne girebanun mein jhakna to ata nahi ha dusrun pe keecher uchalne a jate hein..

pehle aplog jo mazhab follow karte hein usse to dekh lein kitna Quran Hadees k mutabiq hota ha..

pehle khud to word to word quran hadees follow kark dikhao phir ana mere saath behas karne.. samagh ayi??

fazul mein apna time zaya karne ka mughe koi shok nahi ha aur wo bhi aplogon k saath? huh.. no way...jinko apne muslims ki koi respect nahi ha.. sunni shiya marta phir raha ha aur shiya sunni ko... wo to muslims hein na? apk behan bhai hein.. phir aplog aik dusre kiyun marte ho.. pehle ja k apne masle door karo.. phir mere paas ye issue bhi le k a jana..

aplogon k paas bohot free time ha na to kisi aur ko pakrein jo sara din apk saath beth k behas karta phireee...

ye pehla aur akhiri reply tha mera.. isk baad jo kuch bolna ha bolo.. jo bhi.. I REALLY DONT CARE...

**manni9** · 06-12-2007, 01:28 AM

awww syeda jii i don't understand ke iss main ittna naraz hoone ki kya baat hea?
aap simple jawab dedain,ager time nahi hea we can wait.
Rahi baat Shia Sunni problems ki ,tou right problems hain lekin iss baat ka idher iss topic say kya talukh hea?
Ager mujh say koi islam ke baare main koi question ask kere tou main try kerta hoon usse answer dene ki,na ke yeh kehta hoon ke tumhara religion kya sikhata hea n stuff.
Hope ke aap ka ghussa kum ho jaye...

**Endurer** · 06-12-2007, 02:24 AM

Originally Posted by Hina87, post: 295068

You said in the other thread that Syeda was Ahmadi and not Qadiani... aren't they different?.

They're not.

**Endurer** · 06-12-2007, 02:32 AM